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Clay McKinney

Creator of the Church History Timeline

8/9/2009 3:44:00 PM

Welcome to the New Message Board!

Hello everyone. I have just written this simple Message Board application. I hope it helps all of us who visit the timeline to learn from each other. I hope some people will ask questions, other people will answer them. and there will be some friendly debate. If there are any issues, email me at clay_mckinney@hotmail.com. Enjoy!

Matt

8/14/2009 3:04:00 PM

Thanks for the Timeline!

Hey Clay, I really appreciate the timeline. Nicely done. I have added it to my links at LoveToGod.com. The providence of God through history is a beautiful thing, and this timeline brings instant clarity on many of the main events. Thanks again Clay, and may God richly bless you!

Matt Wienken

Lee

9/15/2009 7:26:00 PM

History has been slanted in favor of Islam

Yes, we are commanded to love our enemies but also to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove. Considering that there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. on September 25, it might be timely to consider the true character, history, and identity of the religion of Islam. * They are expecting 50,000 people. They have a website set up for this event: islamoncapitolhill.com. Islam by some accounts is the fastest growing religion in Western Europe.

 

But the central purpose of this message is to request that the entry on the timeline for 1248 be edited by removing the condemnation of the Christians and the portrayal of victimized Muslims. Perhaps something like, continuing the entry (after “This was the last crusade.”) Muslim jihads grew in strength and effectiveness until, in 1291, the last remnants of the crusaders in Palestine and Syria were wiped out forever. Islamic states continued to expand in size and power until by the sixteenth century, the Ottoman Empire encompassing all of North Africa, the Near East, Arabia, and Asia Minor, Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary, Croatia, and Serbia. (I am pasting in direct quotes from two sources listed below, so as not to be accused of plagiarism!) [1]

 

Just briefly, in your entry of 1248 in the Middle Ages, you are assisting in a widely held misunderstanding, stating that Christians are the bad guys, and the Muslims are the victims. It’s true that many European crusaders wandered off from their Christian origins when they committed violence and injustices. But Muslims who slashed and burned and forced conversions did not wander off from the origins of Islam, but followed it closely. [2]


If the Muslims won the crusades (and they did), why they angry now? Shouldn't they celebrate the crusades as a great victory? The answer is that, until the nineteenth century, the Muslims did happily celebrate their victory. From then on, it was the West that taught the Middle East to hate the crusades. During the peak of European colonialism, historians began extolling the medieval crusades as Europe's first colonial venture. By the 20th century, when imperialism was discredited, so too were the crusades. They haven't been the same since. The truth is that the crusades had nothing to do with colonialism or unprovoked aggression. They were a desperate and largely unsuccessful attempt to defend against a powerful enemy. The crusades were in every way a defensive war. They were the West's belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world.[2]cccccccc

A careful survey of scholarly historians’ writings will back up this view. One book,"God's Battalions: The Case for the Crusades," by Rodney Stark, professor of social sciences at Baylor University, says the Muslims asked for it, that the Crusades were the first military response to Muslim terrorists and their looming, advancing Islamic empire.

But just as an offering, here’s two websites for starters.

 

[1] Anything by Thomas Madden, whose written much on the crusades.

http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/thomasmadden.html

 

[2] http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html

by James Arlandson

 

[3] at http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-encyclopedia-westerners-need-to-know-list.htm

A quote from [2] website:

Though European Crusaders may have been sincere, they wandered off from the origins of Christianity when they slashed and burned and forced conversions. Jesus never used violence; neither did he call his disciples to use it. Given this historical fact, it is only natural that the New Testament would never endorse violence to spread the word of the true God. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Jesus. [2]

In contrast, Muslims who slashed and burned and forced conversions did not wander off from the origins of Islam, but followed it closely. It is a plain and unpleasant historical fact that in the ten years that Muhammad lived in Medina (622—632), he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars, which range from small assassination hit squads to the Tabuk Crusade, described above (see 630). Sometimes the expeditions did not result in violence, but a Muslim army always lurked in the background. Muhammad could exact a terrible vengeance on an individual or tribe that double—crossed him. These ten years did not know long stretches of peace. [2]

It is only natural that the Quran would be filled with references to jihad and qital, the latter word meaning only fighting, killing, warring, and slaughtering. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Muhammad. [2]

But this means that the Church had to fight back or be swallowed up by an aggressive religion over the centuries. Thus, the Church did not go out and conquer in a mindless, bloodthirsty, and irrational way—though the Christian Crusades were far from perfect. Islam was the aggressor in its own Crusades, long before the Europeans responded with their own. [2]

It’s tragic that the West has promoted this misinterpretation of the character of Islam. Even Wheaton College caved into the notion of a victimized Islamic history when it changed its nickname from Crusaders to Thunder, so as not to offen, when in reality authentic Christian faith has from its very beginning and does and always will offend.

 

Muslims often strongly deny that their Quran instructs them to kill people. But in truth the Quran is filled with instructions on killing. It commands Muslims to slay down those 'infidels' from amongst the polytheists. The Jews and Christians, “who are of the Book,” on the other hand, because they belonged to monotheistic faith, were to be fought against until they became politically subservient to Muslims. (You can read some direct quotes for yourself at http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-encyclopedia-westerners-need-to-know-list.htm. Or better yet, talk to any Christian missionary who has lived in a Muslim country, such as Iran, and you will be convinced of the danger of rejecting Muslim religion. ) [3]

 

* Concerning the September 25 National Prayer Gathering of Muslims, the gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama's inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill. They have a website set up for this event: islamoncapitolhill.com

 

Lee

Clay McKinney

Creator of the Church History Timeline

10/11/2009 6:12:00 PM

Church Hymnody Timeline

Would anyone be interested in a Church Hymnody Timeline? Any suggestions about what HAS to be on there?

Clay McKinney

Creator of the Church History Timeline

10/11/2009 6:18:00 PM

My treatment of the Crusades

Lee makes some excellent points. I re-read the timeline on the Crusades, though, and I don't think I'm going to change anything. The Church probably would have had to face down the encroaching Muslim hoardes at some point. They were in Spain for goodness sake. But, the way it all went down isn't something, overall, that I think we can be proud of. I'm sure white guilt and political correctness have played a role in the way that whole episode has been portrayed recently, but, I don't think my timeline is guilty of having a pro-Islamic spin. Any other opinions/thoughts anyone would like to share?

If you want to post but have technical difficulties, email me at clay_mckinney@hotmail.com. I want to iron all that out.

Don Capps

Apology My Specialty

11/17/2009 7:23:00 AM

Clay...

First things first. Thank you SO much for keeping this excellent resource available! As a teacher of Chirstian Doctrine and Church History, I cannot tell you the number of times I have referred to it. Also, the Calhoun lectures (both mp3 and transcript formats) are worth their weight in gold. He was one of America's premier church historians and I cannot tell you glad I was when those links started working again.

Now, with regard to Lee's comments, I must say I tend to agree. In fact, I believe that we have been so heavily influenced by historical revisionism that some degree of overcorrection is in order. Indeed, I often recommend to friends Robert Spencer's 'The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam & The Crusades' as a sort of primer on the subject. It is quite safe to say that the crusading Christian 'expansionism' of Western history books is a complete myth invented wholecloth by the faddish haters of all things Western. Furthermore had it not been for armies who rallied repeatedly to the defense of Western Civ, the world as we know it would be a VERY different place today. Indeed, as late as 1638 (which was LONG after Columbus had sailed the ocean blue) Muslim invaders laid seige to Vienna and very nearly succeeded in overthrowning one of the great bastions of the Western world.

Will their descendants succeed demographically where previous generations failed militarily? I'm afraid the jury is still very much out on that.

Lee

7/12/2010 1:21:00 PM

Muslims and the Crusades

Thanks to Don Capps for confirming the points I made regarding the propaganda of Muslims as victims and harmless.  I hope the Christian church reunites.  I don't want to be an alarmist, but I fear we have a united enemy in the Muslims.

I think Matt ought to reflect some of the truth of the aggressiveness of Islam in his timeline.  It would be timely for today.

Lee

Lee

7/15/2010 9:06:00 AM

Tyndale and Huss

I just want to thank you for your, by and large, accurate and somewhat unbiased Timeline. I’ve just skimmed it here and there, but would love to read it through thoroughly and thoughtfully. It seems at a glance somewhat Catholic friendly. I see little statements here and there which reflect your Protestant education, but in my opinion, which could be wrong, you have not suffered much from it. For instance, implying that the Catholic Church holds that the Pope and not Christ is the Head of the Church:

 

1371 b. John Huss, Bohemian pre-reformer. He was greatly influenced by Wycliffe. He rejected indulgences and said Christ is the head of the Church, not the pope

It seems to me it would be more accurate to follow that with, “although the Catholic Church has always held that Christ is the head of the Church, and the Pope is the Church’s head under Christ on earth.” (based on Catechism references below)

 

Huss himself must have seen himself as some kind of a head of the church himself, must have thought himself to be some kind of authority, in viewing how he took it upon himself to refute doctrine developed over a thousand years and take a stand against the whole entire church by placing his interpreting of Scripture above popes, bishops, doctors, and fathers of the church.

 

Or for that matter, Luther said he couldn’t change his beliefs, “unless I am convicted by Scripture and plain reason.” That’s exactly what the Catholic Church believes—except they believe that Christ established One Church, who he promised to be with always, with the divine authority to interpret Scripture, not thousands of denominations all claiming to have interpretation of Scripture by the Holy Spirit.

Whoops! I didn’t mean to get into that. You may want to delete this part of my post.

 

Anyway!

Cateshism states:

666 Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, precedes us into the Father's glorious kingdom so that we, the members of his Body, may live in the hope of one day being with him forever.

 

899 [The lay people should be conscious] not only of belonging to the Church, but of being the Church, that is to say, the community of the faithful on earth under the leadership of the Pope, the common Head, and of the bishops in communion with him. They are the Church.

 

Another example of how wording implies certain unspoken ideas:

 

1536 William Tyndale strangled and burned at the stake. He was the first to translate the Bible into English from the original languages.

 

The more accurate statement would be: “William Tyndale strangled and burned at the stake, by agents of King Henry the Eighth. He was the first to translate the Bible into early modern English from the original languages and was the first to use the newly invented printing press to produce large quantities of Bibles. Portions of Scripture had been painstakingly translated by hand in the vernacular all through church history.

 

But all in all, good wishes to you and thanks for this interesting timeline and the resources (I’d love to read).

Lee